The big DevOps killer

But if you look at Kubernetes and what you're doing with it, it really doesn't make any sense to have a hypervisor on that. Because to the Java Virtual Machine (JVM), which is basically a virtualization layer between an operating system and the application, you're running it in a container. The argument can be made that it's like a virtual separation. It's not virtualization, but you know what I mean. Then, to have another layer of virtualization under that results in you taking your stuff pretty far from that CPU and memory.

Viktor Farcic: That may be true, but then how about serverless? Is that the next thing?

Wian Vos: I think serverless is the big DevOps killer.

Viktor Farcic: In what sense?

Wian Vos: I think it's basically the same as we had at the end of the 1990s, and before that in the 1970s. You as a developer do not want to be bothered with stuff that operations are doing, and because of that, we've have...